View Poll Results: POLL: WHICH, IN YOUR OPINION, RINGS MORE TRUE

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  • Addiction results from biological factors, genetics

    7 63.64%
  • Addiction results from psychological factors, behavior and the way we think

    9 81.82%
  • Addiction results from social factors, peers, friends' influence.

    7 63.64%
  • Addiction results from spiritual factors, not having a relationship with your Higher Power/God..

    3 27.27%
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    Poll: Which, in your opinion, rings more true

    I am curious about everyone's opinions. Each of us has different experiences, different backgrounds, yet, we are all here to discuss how addiction has impacted us. Some of us witnessed it in others' lives, while most of us have personal experience with it.


    This poll is NOT to create controversy; we all have the right to our own opinion.


    At this point in time, science has not given us a definitive answer and many in the medical field are quite divided - on all spectrums.


    THERE IS NO WRONG ANSWER HERE.
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    curious

    thanks for doing this poll. im curious how everybody thinks about this. can u talk about this more?

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    Tracy it's already been proven to be of genetic origin. It's an illness, a disease, like many mental illnesses. It's "cunning baffling and powerful".

    Hopefully someday they will find a cure, a vaccine...I pray in my children's lifetime as I witness a few of my kids already afflicted...

    Prayers!

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    Thanks for your comment, Babydoll

    Quote Originally Posted by tdbabydoll View Post
    Tracy it's already been proven to be of genetic origin. It's an illness, a disease, like many mental illnesses. It's "cunning baffling and powerful".

    Hopefully someday they will find a cure, a vaccine...I pray in my children's lifetime as I witness a few of my kids already afflicted...

    Prayers!

    tdb
    Hi, Babydoll, I really appreciate your comments. To be clear, my comments are NOT meant to cause derision of any kind. You personally have contributed greatly to this forum with your wise counsel, and I hope to never frustrate or discourage your efforts at voicing your thoughts. Based upon your own descriptions of your experiences, you have amassed a great wealth of valuable information - that you so freely share with us. Thank you for that.

    I'd first like to tell you my PERSONAL OPINION about the subject of whether addiction is hereditary or not. And then, I must give my PROFESSIONAL OPINION on the same subject.

    Again, we all have the right to our opinions. Facts, however, are unwavering....unless, of course, as in so-called medical facts, such as that blood-letting was good for headaches, etc.

    Medicine IS an art. In CAN be and is altered when science proves otherwise. I'm sure you recall in science class, how we must form a hypothesis, then conjecture, supposition, then thorough testing, after which, a battery of evaluation of that testing... all culminating into a - TADA - FINAL RESULT....CONCLUSION.

    I need to stop right here and say something. WHATEVER IT TAKES for a person to stop harming themselves or another person... whatever they have to do to get to that point... I say, go right ahead! (Not that I'm any sort of god/authority... )

    My rationale: Sometimes we have to "play tricks" on our minds. When we have lots and lots of negative self-talk, for example, then we will have low self-esteem. Our brains are like recorders, taping everything. No conscious, so to speak. No value system. It "believes" everything we tell it to.

    What I'm getting at here: whatever it takes to not harm, do it!

    If someone needs to tell their brain, blah blah blah, to NOT use...GREAT! Tell it all day long! (not trying to be flippant here)

    oops, gotta pick this up again in a few minutes. Have a relative in hospital and just got a call from her. brb...sorry
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    Getting back to our interesting discussion...

    Ok, so sorry about the interruption. The timing was not-so-great.

    I was giving you my PERSONAL opinion. I believe genetics has a great deal to do with whether one succumbs to addictions. As an alcoholic who has not imbibed for several years, it’d be an easy jump to blame my genes. I BELIEVE it’s a bit of all the factors.

    There’s a whole lot of controversy about what causes addiction, and even, how to treat it. It boils down into two basic groups of camp: 1) people who turn to science, medicine, for solutions, and 2) people who turn to the spiritual realm for solutions (like 12-step groups such as AA).

    Our bodies are so complex; so are our brains, and “souls”, or spirits. What affects one entity may do nothing for another. So we must be open to whatever works for one, but know that it may not work for the other.

    There are many “right” answers to the same problem because of our complexity. We must all choose what works best for us. (Note: I'm not talking about our spiritual path here, just that we are all individuals, with unique body systems. "Straight is the gate, and narrow is the way...")

    Really, it doesn’t matter what the answer will be, in the question of is addiction hereditary, but that we get the help we need to overcome.

    So, getting back to my statement: “I believe genetics has a great deal to do with whether one succumbs to addictions.”

    OPINION: Yes, genetics has A LOT to do with it… BUT, it’s an accumulation of factors, not just genetics. Our genes didn’t make us take that first drink. It may have helped us “like” it better, I don’t know.

    We may have a PROPENSITY or a PREDISPOSITION to become addicted because of our genes… but who’s to say it wasn’t a conditioning response from watching our parents drink? …THAT’S ENVIRONMENT, not genetics.

    We have to watch our terminology here. Perhaps some of this point/counterpoint is a basic misunderstanding of each other’s’ words.

    We all know how tough it is to communicate… even when we’re all speaking the same language, lol. (Not to mention, how difficult it is to “read” another person’s mind, without the luxury of a visual input.

    When we can watch another person’s body language – and children of alcoholics are real pro’s at that (self-protection) - their eyes and facial expressions, etc.… we get so much more that simply reading their words off a screen.

    Ok, so…

    I did some research last night and found all sorts of discussions online. Naturally, they ran the full spectrum of 100% genetics, to family-of-origin influenced (childhood experiences), to peer factors, to dysfunctional thought, to lack of a spiritual relationship with God… and loads in between!

    Here’s a good spot to pause; sorry. I’m having guests over and haven’t gone grocery shopping. Will be right back… promise!


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    Can I say something here?

    Interesting!

    Glad this is coming up.. and glad I saw it. Tracy, I'm interested in hearing the rest. Hurry back.

    (Did you get my pm?)

    Getting something off my chest...

    I'm sick and tired of all these people who say it's somebody else's fault. not to step on any toes, here, but I think science is why we're all outta our minds! Yeah. If they'd get their act together, and start realizing that everybody is their own man. woman. whatever.

    I mean, we just cant go around blaming our parents for every single shitty thing we do! excuse my french

    I - and nobody else - took that first drink. My genes were off. Ok, my jeans were off. And so were my genes.

    haha

    I - and nobody else - said yes to that first baseball or fluff. I went to that base house on my own two feet, not my parents.

    Hell, all my parents did for me was to give me my good looks. And a few lectures, loaded up with a load of shame and guilt, for good measure.

    Ok, I'm calming down. They did try. I was the black sheep. Wanted to do my own thing. They tried. They really tried. But I was stubborn. Wanted to DO ANYTHING they didn't want me to.

    Natural rebel. They didn't torture me. They were great. Until I decided I was too big for them.

    Yeah, they tried. They tried. But I wouldnt listen.

    Now, they're practically scared of opening their mouths to say peep to me... cuz it'll be the wrong thing.

    I can't go back to them. Not yet. I gotta get me stuff together first. I need for them to be ok without me... hell, it's probably pretty quiet around there now that I'm out of the picture.

    Not trying to feel sorry for myself... but I DID THIS. I DID

    I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE.

    I AM

    NOT THEM

    AND I'M NOT GOING TO PLAY PETER PAN AND STICK IN THAT... "my parents' fault"... nope

    SO THAT'S MY PIECE.

    HOPE I DIDNT STEP ON ANY TOES HERE. Tracy is right. if u gotta tell yourself lies to get through it... go ahead.


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    Great chat! Keep it up


    Jasikadma, don't be so hard on yourself, man. I'm sure your parents love you. They were doing what they were supposed to do - from your words - that's their job.

    Sometimes us rebelios guys bully our way around, but we usually come around.

    Who knows, theyre porbly waitingfor that phone call, dude.

    Think about it. They could be your best chance - if they are as supportive as you say.

    If not, then you dont need them yet. Wait tioll you're stronger to deal with all that crap/drama.
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    Some links...among hundreds...various opinions

    Below are a few of the many website links discussing this subject. They are of different opinions some leaning more toward the affirmative, and some toward the negative..


    Genes and Addiction

    The Genetics of Addiction - Is Addiction a Disease?

    https://www.ncadd.org/about-addiction/family-history-and-genetics


    https://www.thefix.com/Genetics-addiction-connection-regina-walker0901



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    PLEASE NOTE: The following are some comments from readers of the last link. If you wish to read more, please follow the link. I grabbed those comments which I had a preference for - they appeared well-thought out and professional... I just wanted to post a disclaimer as I was choosy.. I will state that there are as many "pro" as "con", since this is still a heavily debated topic.


    a reader: I believe that having the same genes is not an excuse to be an addict. We still have a lot of factors to consider like upbringing, habitat, and social life. Every action is an effect caused by its surrounding. If we want to make our world a substance abuse free world, then we should start doing something that will surely make a difference.


    A reader: Since the completion of the human genome, we believe that we possess about 25,000 genes; and we are not exactly certain of this figure. 1/2 of our genes are devoted to the form & function of the brain. Our genes contain 3 B bits of chemical data, and we have ID 4 M switches in our "junk" DNA. And, each of us shows some variation in our own genome.

    So the complexity of our genome is of the charts. Very clearly, life experiences directly impact gene expression. Culture even confers risk or protection. As a clinician of 40+ years, I believe that life experiences have the greater impact.


    A reader: To Dr. Friedman's comment- "if you believe in intelligent design (count me out), you would have to credit the creator with a really wicked sense of humor to have hard-wired our brains for such varied temptations... Its all very unfair.

    Perhaps another way of viewing these receptors and transmitters is the crediting the Creator with an awesome creativity and love for putting within humans the capacity to experience wonderful "highs" and euphoria naturally. If I am understanding this statement correctly: "we react to drugs the way we do because we already make substances in our brains that are chemically like those drugs!" , substances simply mimic experiences that otherwise occur naturally. Having the receptors for the substances would not appear to be some cruel joke, but rather a gift. (Count me in)



    A reader: As it seems the genetic link to addictions is the most difficult to prove,let alone treat,I believe it should at this stage receive the least consideration,for practical reasons at least.Although it is highly likely to be a component,it should never been viewed as the sole cause as other aspects have been far better understood and defined.


    A reader: Genetics does not of itself determine whether a person ingests the substance to start with.


    A reader: " that you may very well have inherited genes that increase your risk of addiction"
    Replace 'addiction' with 'sinning' or even masturbating and u will catch the essence of of where 'addiction' is going and where it has been.

    Any competent geneticist will tell you that genes can alter chemical structure and function for only one thing: METABOLISM i.e how a chemical changes on its journey through the body-- 1/2 life metabolism and how genetics may influence metabolism. For example whether or not a cat feels the sensations of cat nip depends on having the appropriate gene.

    There is no gene for addiction as addiction itself is a socially constructed term with a cultural meaning which can change or be sustained... socially.

    Try it yourself: substitute 'masturbator' for 'addict' and masturbation for addiction. The results will be the same... a lesson in morality.

    ADDICTION IS THE NEW SIN.
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    And this was very interesting....

    https://www.addictioncenter.com/alco...of-alcoholism/
    Genetic makeup only accounts for half of the alcoholic equation. There are also countless environmental factors (work, stress, relationships) that may lead to alcoholism.

    Mental illness increases the likelihood of developing alcoholism by 20 percent.
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